For this alliance may so happy prove
To turn your households' rancor to pure love.
~Friar Lawrence, Act II, Scene 5, lines 90-91
Friday, April 26, 2013
HONORS - Act II, Scene 3 - The Friar's Plan for the Feud
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I think this is a wise plan because if Romeo and Juliet get married the families will have to get along or else it would make romeo and Juliet upset. Also If Romeo and Juliet did get married i would mean that the two families are now the same family, and they cant kill or harm their own family.
ReplyDeleteI think that it is a bad plan. The families are in a feud that has lasted for generations. The Montagues and the Capulets hate each other and Romeo and Juliet getting married would only add to the tension. Instead of bringing both families together the marriage would push them farther apart. I think that Romeo and Juliet's parents wouldn't allow their children to be married to their enemy and that their marriage would do more damage than good.
ReplyDeleteI think that Friar Lawrence's plan is wise, and, if I did not know how the play would end, I would think it would work. By having Romeo and Juliet, both belonging to the two feuding families, get married, the Capulets and the Montagues would both realize how foolish they were being by continuing the feud that has lasted for centuries. Since both families love their children, they would want them to be happy, like Julia said, and they would not want to do anything - including forbidding them to marry their enemies - that would upset Romeo and Juliet. Since their families are united, now that Romeo and Juliet have married, they would be forced to get along, if only for the sake of their children.
ReplyDeleteAs Natalie said, the plan is a bad plan. The families have feuded for generations. They will not start to love each other just because the children like each other. If the marriage works Romeo's family will still hate Juliet's family and Juliet's family will still hate Romeos family. The only love will be between Romeo and Juliet. If anything were to happen one family would make a plan to assassinate each others kin so the marriage would be ended and they could separate and be enemies again.
ReplyDeleteI don't think the plan will work. Well, I know it doesn't work, but even under ideal circumstances, I don't think the Friar's plan would work. I know Julia said that the families would be related by marriage, but Shakespeare's characters have never been above a little fratricide. Do you really think somebody like Tybalt and somebody like Romeo's father could live in the same family? And what about Parris? Parris is a man of no little power himself, so even if The Capulets and Montagues could set aside their differences, they would be setting up a feud with Parris's family. I think Friar Lawrence should stick with gardening, because his plan is not going to work even under the best outcome.
ReplyDeleteSome more food for thought, to enrich your discussion:
ReplyDeleteFriar Lawrence also says the following to Romeo, in Act II, Scene 6:
"These violent delights have violent ends
And in their triumph die, like fire and powder,
Which as they kiss consume: the sweetest honey
Is loathsome in his own deliciousness
And in the taste confounds the appetite:
Therefore love moderately; long love doth so;
Too swift arrives as tardy as too slow."
Why is this GOOD advice to give to Romeo--and how does it compare to Friar Lawrence's marriage plan? What is Friar Lawrence like as a person?
Friar Lawrence is basically telling Romeo not to be too hasty but to take things slowly. Friar Lawrence is saying that when someone falls in love too quickly for somebody bad things will happen to them which is shown in the second line "and in their triumph die, like fire and powder". When fire and powder meet an explosion happens. This is good advice to Romeo because Friar Lawrence is not sure if Romeo likes Juliet in his heart or if Romeo is just liking what he is seeing. Loving too quickly can lead to violent ends. Friar Lawrence seems like a wise person who gives good advice.
ReplyDeleteMany ideas have already been said as to what I think of all this. Julia explains how it is a good plan where they could not hurt one another, but it would not work as smoothly as it could be sought out. Families would not hurt each other, no. But this does not mean that the extended families wouldn't necessarily have to stay that civil with one another. They could push their limits into attempting negativity to one another. Romeo and Juliet may just marry one another, and leave like they planed at one point because they will not want to deal with the family.
ReplyDeleteFriar Lawrence is trying to give good advice to Romeo by explaining to him that "violent delights have violent ends" bad things that bring joy to hearts can end badly as well. Many other ways, he explains that he must go slow, or they could ruin it. The Friar is trying to be wise about the steps Romeo must take to get Juliet in the most prefect way possible.
By comparing the advise that Friar Lawrence gives Romeo and the plan that he hopes will to end the feud between the Montages and the Capulets I am conflicted whether the frier is letting hope cloud his views. The advise that the Friar gives to Romeo shows that he is wise, and that he is able to give good advise that will help Juliet and Romeo navigate how they go about their relationship. The plan for the marriage between Juliet and Romeo, on the other hand, simply seems like it was doomed from the start, even without prior knowledge to the end of the play. As Hannah Mae said, the families would not be able to stop hating each other simply because Romeo and Juliet were married, and as Natalie pointed out, the marriage would most likely just add tension between the families. I think that the Friar let the hope of ending the feud between the families end cloud his ideas because he showed himself to be wise with Romeo but the plan he has to end the feud can end badly in a number of ways that would only make the feud worse.
ReplyDeleteI think that Friar Lawrence is a very wise man and his idea to marry Romeo and Juliet in order to settle the feud is a good idea. However, obviously it doesn't work in the end. I think that the tension is so great between the two families that nothing even their children could distract them from the feud. Friar Lawrence is a very wise man that gave good advice to Romeo. I think that he said, if you move to fast, you relationship will not last. But by taking your time and being sure, "long love doth so".
ReplyDeleteAs good of an idea it is in theory, things don't always work out how they are planned. It's a very idealistic sort of thought on Friar Lawrence's part to think that this would work. There are too many factors. It would help if the parents were behind the idea, but they didn't even know about it. The fact that it was kept secret from their parents would only upset their parents when they found out. In addition, they had only known each other for a couple of days. And need I mention how young they are? If they were older and had thought it through more, their parents would have an easier time respecting their choices. In summary, it's a nice idea, but would never work.
ReplyDeleteFriar laurence's agreeing to marry Romeo and Juliet is in the best interest in the entire city of fair Verona. By marrying them he is hoping that it leads to the ending of all of the quarrels between Montagues and Capulets in the streets that we see countless times throughout the novel, the ancient hatred between the two families and the problem that the Verona police have to deal with.
ReplyDeleteFriar Lawrence's plan for Romeo and Juliet is a flat out bad idea. To think that by marrying two feuding families would bring them together is a selfish act. Friar Lawrence is using Romeo and Juliet as a way to test his beliefs, and thoughts on the feuds between the Montagues, and the Capulets. To think that a 19-20 year old romantic, and a 13 year old girl could mend a families long history of fighting is out right idiotic. Friar Lawrence's plan to marry Romeo and Juliet may seem great at first glance, but is truly the wrong way to go.
ReplyDeleteI think Friar Lawrence's plan started out as good intentions, and a way to help a friend. However, neither one of the men actually took time to think out this decision. Romeo met Juliet, and 24 hours later, is asking the Friar to marry them. Friar Lawrence gave Romeo an answer within a few minutes of Romeo's asking. If both men had taken some extra time to think about their actions, there might have been a different turn of events. Juliet had two years until she had to marry Paris, so she could have made Romeo wait a year to test his love for her. This would give both families time to think about a truce and the whole suicide issue might have been avoided. Building off of what Abbie said about Friar Lawrence's advice regarding going slow, that was good advice, but Friar Lawrence does not use the advice he has given. Again, he agrees to marrying the two teens within a few moments of first hearing the idea. I stand by my belief that if everyone in this story had taken a step back and really looked at the situation, then better choices would have been made and two teenagers might not have ended up dead.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Friar Lawrence's plan to create peace between the Montagues and the Capulets by marrying Romeo and Juliet is a very unrealistic plan. He is very wise to tell Romeo that he should give it some time and really see if he loves Juliet, but his plans to patch the years of family Feuding between both sides with one marriage seem very farfetched. Even if Romeo and Juliet get married, what would that do to solve anything? I believe that it might create even more tension between the two families than there already is because they would find out that Romeo and Juliet have kept this secret love affair from them. Both families might reject the marriage and push even further away from each other and Romeo and Juliet. With so much history of back and forth bickering and fighting, odds are that one marriage will not fix anything.
ReplyDeleteFriar Lawrence is motivated for the wrong reasons. It was not a wise decision to marry Romeo and Juliet. They are too young and they come from feuding families. Friar Lawrence knows that Romeo is an impetuous boy and shouldn't rush into marriage and his first reaction was to not marry them. He should have stuck to his initial opinion when he was telling Romeo, "These violent delights have violent ends". Friar Lawrence then realized that it was possible that the marriage could create peace in his society, which being a key member of the largely important church, he could be credited for by the Prince. So, his thinking turned to selfish and he forgot the importance of what was best for the children; Romeo and Juliet. This was a quick and hasty decision to marry Romeo and Juliet and therefore he is largely responsible for their deaths.
ReplyDeleteThis is a bad idea that the Friar had because if he does marry them and the families do not decide to stop fighting then Romeo and Juliet are caught in the middle of their families. Also, like Emily said how he was doing it for all the reasons, he should want to marry them because they are in love not because he does not want their families to feud anymore. If the two are even in love, they have only known each other for one day and they want to get married. But Romeo does not want what happened with Rosaline to happen again because if she realizes that he only loves her for her looks like Rosaline then she could end the relationship. But, if they were married then it would be harder to end.
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